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  • penny

    Franklin was the largest publisher of pornography in the colonies–which is how he got rich. Later, he was well connected through his membership in the Dasherwood Satanic Sex Cult aka Hellfire
    Society with the British Royals and Aristos.
    He didn’t get rich by following or publishing homilies.

    • BustaMove

      A lot of innuendo and unsubstantiated claims about the over-exagerrated and enigmatic hellfire club. None of the claims have been proven or even a shred of evidence.

  • http://www.pickthebrain.com John Wesley

    That’s interesting, I’ve really never heard it before. I’ll have to investigate.

  • penny

    Dear John,

    I love your site, which I found because
    I follow posts of my friend and coauthor
    Ivan Blank at digg.

    There is a good book called ” The Hellfire Club” which I found in the history section of a Barnes and Noble
    books.

    I may have found the Franklin porno link
    in ” Lies my Teacher Told Me”, which is a great history book.

    Hard to remember as I read thousands of books a year.
    best
    Penny

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  • http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1 lil evil

    penny, you say that as if it were a bad thing.

  • penny

    My main point was that he never credited
    his publication of porno or his connections with the Brit aristos based on the Hellfire club in his “Way to Riches”.

    As to whether it was bad thing:
    As a woman, I believe that porno is
    degrading to women ( if women are in the Porno). Also, the poor country girls who were forced by the rich, powerful aristos in the Hellfire club into acts of sex—and sexual torture–,
    were likely sure it was a bad thing to be involved.

    Sorry, But, that’s my take. Your mileage may differ.
    Penny

  • penny

    That the Hellfire club practiced Satan
    Worship ( or even fake Satan Worship) is of no importance to me.
    I am very tolerant of non-standard religions.

    But, abuse of power–for sex and torture–that is a different story—-in ANY context.
    Penny

  • Ryan

    Just because the person conveying the message may be a hypocrite does not automatically make the message itself invalid. Many of our most important figures in history lived secret, dirty lives that went against their messages. However, one cannot forget that, as in any message, the lesson is also a lesson for the conveyor –self-improvement, of course! :)

  • penny

    Dear Ryan,
    Right. But, the support of ” this is how I got rich” is then gone. It is NOT how he got rich. Or at least not the primary way.
    Penny

  • http://www.pickthebrain.com John Wesley

    Ryan,

    You make a good point that “many of our most important figures lived secret, dirty lives”. Does this make their messages invalid? I don’t think so. What is does is show that humans, even great ones, are by nature hypocritical. No matter how much we believe in a great message, there is always another, darker side of us that believes the opposite.

  • Ryan

    Yes, it does show that we may be hypocritical in our daily lives –almost as if, in some cases, it is required to survive! Nonetheless, it also shows that we strive for great good. If we weren’t hypocritical, we would be near perfect, and if we were perfect, we wouldn’t have anything to strive for.

  • penny

    Ryan,
    You are in agreement with Goethe—
    recall that Faust is saved from damnation because he “strives”.

    I agree with you.

    But, not everyone strives for good. Some strive for power and material success.

    Some strive mainly for enlightenment.

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    Ryan,
    You make a good point that “many of our most important figures lived secret, dirty lives”. Does this make their messages invalid? I don’t think so. What is does is show that humans, even great ones, are by nature hypocritical. No matter how much we believe in a great message, there is always another, darker side of us that believes the opposite.